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MECC - Munich Electronic & Computer
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Purpose
To discuss matters of common interest: fiscal, technical,
professional, job opportunities, Brexit Impacts etc, among
Computer & Electronic Engineers/Developers/Technical
Freelance Consultants etc.
MECC Is For
Munich Computer & Electronics Contractors/Consultant
Developers etc, but we also welcome employee engineers whose
interest in the industry &/or business continues to
remain strong after five o'clock 
MECC Is Not For
Engineers whose interest in technology turns off at five
o'clock, end users, random girl friends, boyfriends,
husbands, wives, relatives, drinking/sports friends etc.
Diluting MECC with non MECC-qualified people would damage the
purpose of MECC. There are plenty of better groups for
general socialising, EG Beer Gardeners.)
Language / Sprache
No German translation of this
page exists. The language of the computer & electronics
industries is English. If you can't talk mostly in English,
you will have problems conversing at the Stammtisch. Most of us can speak German too
though, if you get stuck. We are computer technologists, not
linguists, so we are far more interested in technical &
financial ideas, not obsessing about grammar. good technical
(& financial) ideas are of more interest, than good
grammar :-)
- Advance reminder of monthly meetings
is sent by email.
- We have no membership fees, assets, formal procedures
etc.
- We are not an "Eingetragene Verein"
- We do not campaign for anything
- Started by Julian
H. Stacey & Martin Collins . First meeting Thursday
26th November 1998, Kapuziner Platz 5
- Got lots of of questions before you come to Germany ?
Don't mail us, we have no time! Contractor in germany
questions & answers here
When We Meet
Months When We Meet
Our Email List keeps you updated; but
the table below gives an indication of months when we are
more & less likely to meet.
| MONTH |
PROBABILITY |
COMMENT |
| January |
No. |
Skiing
Too soon after Xmas break |
| February |
Maybe |
Skiing |
| March |
Maybe |
Last Skiing |
| April |
Unlikely |
|
| May |
Probably |
|
| June |
Unlikely |
|
| July |
Yes |
Last chance before
Aug & Sept holidays. |
| August |
No. |
Many away on holiday |
| September |
No. |
Still some away first half of month. |
| October |
Maybe |
Some recovering from
Oktoberfest
(private & company trips). |
| November |
Likely |
If not October |
| December |
No |
Short month (parties, Xmas, tax returns)
Maximise working hours other days. |
- By default: Second Tuesday in some months, 19:30
(Moved from last Wednesday (in 6.2007 ), as contractors
get busier towards the end of each month.).
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An automatic reminder to add to Unix computers:
man calendar
vi $HOME/calendar ~/.calendar/calendar
* Tues+1 Advance Warning: MECC next Tuesday.
If you want us to meet, write to list.
* Tues+2 MECC, Second Tuesday in month.
Ensure calendars are mailed:
crontab -e
# /var/cron/tabs/my_name managed via crontab
-e
# Min Hour DayInMth Mth DayInWk Command
(1=Mon,7=Sun)
0 0 * * * calendar
Will We Meet This Month ? - Only If You Help Us Decide To
!
- The date you should remind us of on the Email List, the best part of a week
before.
- If you don't, others probably won't either, so you can
assume No Stammtisch this month.
- Contractors tend to be either working hard & short
of time, or between jobs, short of money, not spending.
Thus we tend to have less people turn up than our list size
might lead one to suppose.
- There's not enough of us to meet every month, so me
meet Only if enough people announce they will come, by
posting to list mecc@ (not via private mail to
Author).
- No single person decides: if, where, & when we
meet, None of us so somewhere to sit alone, in case you
might want to turn up without commitment.
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What do You need to do, to ensure we meet ?
- Post to mecc@ about 5 days before 2nd Tuesday,
& proposes MECC meets.
- We will discuss on mecc@ list (not by private mail)
for 2 days,
- We will decide on Email List,
if we have enough people to make it worth meeting.
- One of us (any of us, does Not need to be Julian or
Martin) then makes a definitive statement, "We have
enough, we will meet".
- We each then have 2 days to phone other people
& invite them.
- Ditherers can decide
- One of us books a table.
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Date Clashes:
- If any important dates collide with the
default, please send a warning to the Email List, where alternate dates can
be discussed (subject to: fair notice: some may be
away travelling incommunicado, on business).
- Football: Increasingly venues have TV screens,
we try to avoid them. Note: Julian is
totally un-interested & unaware of football
matches, Do not rely on him to avoiding date
clashes, warn us.
- Sometimes we attend a tech.
lecture, before going on to eat/ drink.
-
If you expect to be there, Please post that to to
our Email List:
- We need at least 4 definite recently confirmed
people by 20:00 day before the Stammtisch, to our
MECC Email List , else
Stammtisch is cancelled.
- If last minute changes happen, happens, we
won't try to tell you via list etc, unless you have
committed yourself to join us.
- Mail the Email List
(not Julian). The group needs to know if we
have enough people & who they are, Julian may
be out/ busy/ ill & does not want to be a
single focus of email; Use the Email List .
- Enhance your & our evening, phone a MECC
oriented friend & ask them too.
- Occasionally someone phones round
reminding/recruiting people to latest Stammtisch,
anyone is very welcome to do this, don't wait to be
asked, just do it.
http://doodle.com or
similar might be attractive for scheduling a business
meeting for a fixed limited number of known participants
who all want to meet at a common free time.
But they're not appropriate for us, we have a Email List of 46 (as at 2011.06) contractors,
we have a fixed monthly date to focus
on (& if we were to choose other dates, we would
collide with other well
known stammtisch dates).
Those free that day may meet, if enough have interest to
bother to mail they will come. Who is interested depends on
work commitments, which being freelancers, varies a
lot.
Historically MECC members weren't often motivated enough
to send a single mail (to publicly commit to coming. to
increase head count), so getting them to either repeatedly
access an on line service, or type in all their blocked or
free days isn't realistic.
Some, likely many MECC members inc this author, will not
type their dates into a proprietary commercial
database.
An interactive remote web system would require on line
net access & http protocol. Some contractors can be
travelling &/or in customers' offices with less net
access than permis, (email may be passed, & http
blocked etc). ( Even email { by wireless / UMTS / net stick
} & sms by GPRS may be blocked, some companies use
shielding on windows
. )
MECC is focused by a simple predictable date, that
people's calendars can predict (each individually &
personally, by whatever software or service they personally
choose), That they will then see on Email
List (if we're not all too lazy/ busy/ uninterested,
not to propose a meet).
People then add their names to the fixed date, if
willing to attend, people pick up those names by email a
few days before (in case travelling or out late at nights)
so they know if the meeting is on (or not).
Our goal is not just to increase the probability to meet
more often, but also:.
- Minimum effort for attenders to decide if they are
free & will commit to coming.
- Minimal regular effort for convener to decide if we
have sufficient people to meet, & to focus people by
definitively announcing "We will [or not] meet this
month."
- To ensure a decent turnout if we meet, as too regular
meetings with low numbers would be more work arranging
for less reward, & would fizzle out. (Thus the idea
of quarterly meetings, to encourage people to [reschedule
other commitments if necessary] & make the effort to
travel to MECC, else they will miss out for 3
months).
Summary: More technology might give a short term boost to
MECC, but would kill it long term. We don't need a higher
frequency of meetings with minimal numbers, we need it that
when we travel to attend, it's numerous, lively &
interesting & we enthusiasticaly tell others they
missed out & should come too next time.
- MECC people who want to meet, Recruiting more work
friends & colleagues to join Email
List & attend the the meetings.
- Make a note in your diary ,
about a week before scheduled date, to propose we meet
that month.
We meet monthly for a beer & /or
meal in Gaststatten & beer gardens.
Location(s)
- Best phone Julian or Gary J to check
who is coming, the venue's still on etc !
- We tend to use Restaurant
with a No Smoking area (The author
is tobacco
allergic, & other regular MECC attenders also dislike
smoke.
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SUMMER
Our fine weather &/or summer default (unless
otherwise announced on Email List)
is Paulaner
Beergarden @ Kapuziner Plz Kapuzinerplatz 5, 80337
Munich. Tel 544611.0
In suddenly bad weather -
look for us inside the Paulaner Bräus building, in
summer / warm weather -
look for us in the self service part of the beer garden
adjacent, run by the same management.
Kapuziner
Directions etc : Paulaner Brauhaus, Kapuzinerplatz 5,
80337. Line map
http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/gifs/kapuziner.gif U Bahn 3
& 6, Goethe Platz. 1 block South East on Kapuziner
Str, or South on Haberl Str, merging at Kapuziner Str,
Then half a block South East on Kapuziner Str, & left
into beer garden.
If bad weather, then inside, (one can take stuff in, if
weather degrades). In middle room which is non smoking,
towards back, further from smoking areas..
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WINTER
Our winter cold weather default in months when
beergardens are impossible
: http://www.weisses-brauhaus.de/
Before 2008.010.01: Upstairs the whole place is non
smoking. Hopefully somewhere away from stairs as smoke
drifts up.
After 2008.01.01 new Bavarian non smoking law: Still
upstairs, as downstairs, the chloroform & nicotine
etc will still be in walls & soft furnishings,
returning to the air, & may be crowded, noisier, more
tourists etc.
- Yes we're still meeting on & off in 2009 (though this
page doesn't get updated that often to indicate it).
Other Resources
- The disruptive impacts of Brexit - a Berklix
mail list to track that.
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`Dead Beat Customers' ie
Suspect you customer may not be Zahlungsfaehig ? (&
remember that doesn't necessarily mean they wont pay
anything, they may just muck around & pay late, after
3rd reminder or court summons, or they may make spurious
accusations the work wasn't good enough, any excuse to try
to wangle a discount or delay payment, or justify delaying
the already overdue payment longer, etc. Some customers are
golden, & pay properly on time for work done, a few
other customers are occasionally best summarised in harsh 4
letter angle Saxon. Stay in business long enough &
you'll meet both ends of the spectrum.
Translators have the same worries too. Here's URLs from a
publication aimed for them, not us:
- German
Informationsaustausch für Dolmetscher und
Übersetzer über Zahlungspraxis und
Zahlungsmoral von Auftraggebern
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News groups of possible interest include:
- muc.markt.arbeit Munich
- misc.jobs.contract Loads of mainly USA
- de.etc.beruf.selbstaendig Much general discussion
in German about local laws, taxes,
promoting business, etc
- Berufsverband
Selbstaendiger in der Informatik e.V. Elbestr 51, 48145
Muenster.
- http://www.expatengineer.net
- VSI verband der
Softwareindustrie Deutschlands e.V. Seitzstr 17 80538
Muenchen
- DMMV Deutscher Multimedia Verband e.V. Osterwaldstr,
80805 Muenchen. I find no working URLs - jhs 4.2005
- Gesellschaft fuer Systems
Engineering Die GfSE ist der deutsche Zweig des
International Council on Systems Engineering ( INCOSE , dem Internationalen
Fachverband fuer Systems Engineering mit ueber 4000
Mitgliedern weltweit.
- Deutsche Gesellschaft fuer
Luft- und Raumfahrt
- http://www.cray-cyber.org -
Access to historical supercomputers - Munich base.
Magazine
There's a magazine called Freiberufler info we're not
associated in any way, but it may be of interest to people
looking for jobs. Martin plans to ask them for a free entry
in their list of Stammtisch Venues (& if they don't have
a list, to start one).
Random Job Agents.
" Alle Angaben Ohne Gewaehr" ie Don't Blame me! These agents may be good, bad, or
indifferent.
Do come to our Stammtisch & tell us if you have
particularly good or bad experience with any, & then
send me a follow up email to confirm
name of company for praise or deletion. Some of these are
just companies who asked to be mentioned. At a single
complaint from MECC members, I'll remove bad agents, being
listed does not mean they're necessarily good, just they
exist (or did once).
Alphabetic by web ref.
Worst Agents & Customers.
Non/ Late/ Under/ Arguing etc bad Agents &/or
customers.
Of course there are rogue agents, also rogue contractors,
& rogue customers, If you've been in the business
long enough, you'll have seen all types, though not all
readily discuss or admit all categories exist.
We don't publish the latest rotten scenarios in public
forums, (may be contentious, possibility of litigation,
etc). This author does not have time to answer mail about
it, Don't ask, Come to our Stammtisch to discuss such
& other stuff there.)
Worst Agents - Criteria
Some agents are worse than others, Criteria can include
eg: to (Worst rates, Biggest
commissions (one big one alleged to take 35%, another
claims 20%), Slow payment, Non payment if customer fails
to pay, Too intrusive, Evil contract
clauses, eg `screw you 25K Euro without independent
review by court, etc ).
I could set up a password locked web page,
For members only, moving to there, the above list of
"Random Job Agents" converting to a table, & adding
2 columns: each with links: "Reccomended by" & "Not
Reccomended By". Text to document/ justify
Reccomended/Not reccomended would be on your web, not
mine.
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Agents brain wash with frequent false
glib assertions. Here's some possible counter mantras
to think:
- "Never Trust An Agent!"
- "Would I buy a used car from this Agent
?"
- "I'm just part of the daily quota this Agent has
to sell"
(feel lucky if you've only dealt with fully trust
worthy open & honest agents).
- If you want to know a low rate from a good rate, don't
trust many agents who will say "This is a good rate", some
few will be truthful, & many not, often enough it'll be
a poor rate. Ask your fellow contractors at the Stammtisch
for their opinion. (Don't ask this author by mail though,
he does not have time for personal mail)
- Some agents work in tandem: eg a UK agent recruits for
a Munich agent for a Munich job. Both are reluctant to
accept a halved normal commission, so raise the total
commission prior to splitting, by further reducing
contractor's hourly rate from what customer is prepared to
pay; it can sometimes still be worth it though.
- Some contractors like working regularly for agents, but
at lower rates, & some prefer finding their own work,
with more effort, for better rates, eg inc. (eg this author.
- Some agents can get a noticeably higher rate from a
customer than a contractor could, negotiating direct, but
few agents can achieve a willingness from a customer to pay
an hourly rate for a contractor, that more than exceeds the
lost commission, negotiating direct, so again, the agent
forces down rates.
-
The agencies & customers offering the lowest rates,
create rods for their own backs:
- They will recruit a combination of the worst &
most desperate contractors.
- The new recruited will be first to go, with least
compunction, when, realising how severely underpaid
they are, they abandon ship for the first of many
better paid jobs available.
- Same recruiting costs per head for agents, per less
month's commission earned.
- More frequent induction/ lost time costs for
employer while new contractors settle in, before moving
on to better paid work.
False assertions can be numerous. The more cycnical, the more
you can spot. Here's some samples:
If A Customer Doesn't Pay
This author's first agent got to be an agent after his agent
dissapeared with his money.
If you work direct, there's still risk some customers may
try to evade payment in full or part, sooner or later. One
does not have to accept being ripped off, eg this author has
used German law twice to enforce payment. Others at Stammtisch can tell similar tales.
Insolvency
Questions In German When Phone Searching For [Contractor or
Employee] Jobs
- Free
Translator Engines & german Dictionary &
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- Wer sonst in Ihrem Unternehmen koennte jemandem mit
meinem Qualifikationen gebrauchen ?
- Hat Ihr Unternehmen anderer Abteilungen oder
Tochtergesellschaften, die vielleicht jemandem mit meinen
Faehigkeiten gebrauchen koennen ?
- Kennen sie jemandem, der mir einen Tip geben koennte
?
- Welche Firmen in dieser Gegend wachsen am schnellsten
?
- An wen sollte ich mich dort wenden ?
- Kennen Sie jemanden in Unternehmen X ?
- Wann erwarten Sie, dass in Ihrem Unternehmen eine Stelle
frei wird ?
- Kennen Sie eine Unternehmenserweiterung oder neue
Projekte, die eine freie Stelle schaffen Koennten ?
- Ist eine Veraenderung Ihres Mitarbeiterbedarfs abzusehen
?
A Few Big Local Companies
Some companies with a presence local to Munich are marked here
Some German Lists Of German Companies
From John A Not looked at yet, I'll look later.
Right To Sell 2nd Hand Software Licences 2012
Copy of an email posting.
http://
lists.freebsd.org/ mailman/ listinfo/ freebsd-ports
http://lists.guug.de/
pipermail/ sage/ 2012-July/ 001369.html
to: ports@freebsd.org
From: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@@@berklix.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:05:49 +0200
Cc: sage@@@guug.de
Subject: European court allows software licence resale,
& blocks PD capture ?
German below - Deutsch Unten.
Just for interest: Here is a European court
judgment:
REFERENCE for a preliminary ruling under Article 267
TFEU from the Bundesgerichtshof (Germany), made by decision
of 3 February 2011, received at the Court on 14 March 2011,
in the proceedings
UsedSoft GmbH v Oracle International Corp.,
German
http://curia.europa.eu/ juris/ document/ document.jsf? text=
&docid= 124564&pageIndex= 0&doclang= de&mode=
req&dir= &occ= first∂= 1&cid=
5204011
English
http://curia.europa.eu/ juris/ document/ document.jsf? text=
&docid= 124564&pageIndex= 0&doclang= en&mode=
req&dir= &occ= first∂= 1&cid=
5204011
My Summary ( IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer ):
Sofware licenses _Can_ be legaly resold.
Judgement also seem to block a few ex- public domain
authors who occasionaly try to claw back public domain
software (inc. old versions!) to become their closed source.
( Some ports occasionaly removed from http://www.Freebsd.org/ports/
inc. one recently)
- -----Original Message----- From: Informationskanal zu
aktuellen Entwicklungen im Informations- und Medienrecht
[mailto:INFOLAW-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE] On Behalf Of Prof. Dr.
Thomas Hoeren
Sent: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2012 13:06
To: INFOLAW-L@LISTSERV.DFN.DE
Subject: [INFOLAW-L] EuGH: Online-Erschöpfung
Jaaaa - nach 30 Jahren Streit endlich das richtige
Urteil in Sachen Online-Erschöpfung!
EuGH, Urteil vom 3. Juli 2012 - Rechtssache
C-128/11
EuGH erlaubt Weiterverkauf von gebrauchten
Software-Lizenzen auch im Falle eines Onlinerewerbs.
Das Recht auf ausschließliche Verbreitung der
Programmkopien erschöpfe sich mit dem Erstverkauf.
Stelle ein Konzern seinem Kunden eine Kopie zur
Verfügung und erlaube ihm über einen Lizenzvertrag
das unbefristete Nutzungsrecht dieser Kopie, so erlische sein
Recht auf ausschließliche Verbreitung. Durch ein
solches Geschäft werde nämlich das Eigentum an
dieser Kopie übertragen Dem Weiterverkauf der Kopie
könne er sich dann nicht mehr widersetzen. Das gelte
auch für verbesserte und aktualisierte Fassungen - weil
sie Bestandteil der Kopie seien. .
http://curia.europa.eu/ juris/ document/ document.jsf? text=
&docid= 124564&pageIndex= 0&doclang= de&mode=
req&dir= &occ= first∂= 1&cid=
5204011
- - -- Prof. Dr. Thomas Hoeren
Institut für Informations-, Telekommunikations- und
Medienrecht
Leonardo-Campus 9
48149 Münster
Tel.: +49/251/8338600
Fax: +49/251/8338601
http://www.uni-muenster.de/Jura.itm/Hoeren
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Professional &/or Industry groups we know of in the
Munich area
- Faraday Group
(local arm of UK IEE (Institution of Electrical
Engineers))
-
- Faraday has a Munich mail list run by Philip
Walters
- IEE had a list for Germany called CTR_DE which could
be sub'
to
- Maybe the BCS, British Computer Society might have
local representation ? Anyone know ?
- The RA[e]S, Royal [Astronautical/Aeronautical ?] Society
has a branch here, Bernadette @ Faraday is a
member
- See also other groups on Techtalk@ list.
- BIM: Berkeley In
Munich: A BSD-Unix group is being created in
Munich.
- Are there perhaps also German speaking groups with
similarly informal aims ? If so please let Author know, so he can
update this page.
Here's a simple line drawing (click on map for larger).
(sure a `real' map would be nicer, but all maps I've seen are
copyright. There's various web map services available, Here's a
list.
A couple of jokes, about Consultants,
Engineers & Managers, English & German.
Please do not email the Author questions.
Do not ask him for job agency phone numbers etc, he is far
too busy, doesn't normally use agents, & needs his time
left un-consumed, to find his own customers, working direct.
Instead look above.
If you are a contractor & want to discuss or change this
page,
- First join mecc@ Email List.
- Then Mail
changes, ideally in Unix diff -c (context diff) format.
The power control board at the top of this page (from a sawmill
at glentleiten_freilichtmuseum_www.glentleiten.de.jpg ) might
tempt people to other tech places to visit eg:
Pensions ? How long to live ?
https://www.contractorcalculator.co.uk/
Association of Independent Professionals and the Self Employed
Temporary Parking Space below
Shop Software &
E-Billing
(First written in case an access fee needed to precede a
possible Virtual
Conference Event for VCFE
2020 , generalised since, needs trimming when time permits
) Corrections etc
welcome
-
Could charge a fee for issue of Virtual room name &
password (though some servers specify only non commercial
).
-
A few visitors may cheat & share, but most will pay
access, especially if it's kept very cheap (No room rental,
organisers & exhibitors travel etc expenses)
-
Don't try to collect payment via credit card, too much
trouble: initial merchant registration & ongoing
GDPR, customer data, VAT/MWST registration etc.
-
Use PayPal (or other
intermediary) so customers pay via credit card to PayPal, & PayPal pay to organiser's bank.
PayPal from P's memory
charge a few Euro per transaction + some percentage. Update experience
welcome (I can't be bothered trying PayPal's application procedure, which
tries to force me to use a language my
company won't do business with their company in, (an
incompetent PayPal
decision wrongly based on IP number where my browser happens
to be, ignoring Browser's explicit
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE=en-US,en
preference.)
-
That charge if that high would be a considerable addition to
a normal physical hall entry fee of single digit Euros. Need
checking.
-
Selecting Amount To Pay on PayPal: P failed to get PayPal's variable amount to work,
too complex. He got fixed amount buttons to work. One can
have several buttons. Or a single pay button with a slider.
One can also have hidden buttons with other fixed amounts.
Pay Pal accepts multiple currencies.
-
For simple events minimal buttons for all price options seem
best
-
For each payment, PayPal
sends seller & buyer an email to confirm purchase. It can
contain a standard invoice.
-
So one could automate that to include virtual room name &
password ?
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No, because of VAT/MWST See ***
Below
-
So don't send room & password from PayPal invoice system. Have a
robot or human at event in country that recognises incoming
"Paid" email from PayPal,
& mails customer with room & password name. Ensure
billable work is clearly performed in Event country, not
customer country.
-
Maybe more visitors with a Virtual Event than a physical
event ? No expensive travel.
-
*** Avoid other European (not just local
event country) VAT Liability: [Despite liking EU, &
loathing Brexit] EU VAT laws are Bad For Business: They
burden small trading entities disproportionately who can't
afford specialist employees to process the different VAT
systems of each & every country in the EU.
-
European Union national governments are all keen to claim VAT
& MWST etc tax for services they claim are rendered &
taxable in customer recipient's country.
-
Small businesses have to file for VAT & reclaim in every
country in EU they sell to, (which while do-able for giant
companies is a nightmare for small companies).
-
Politicians fail to realise: not all small businesses are
local hair dressers & window cleaners, some small
companies Do trade internationally, even Mostly
internationally, localy country being a small or zero
fraction of trade.
-
Small companies burdened by EU's nightmare of bureaucracy,
sometimes avoid cross border business, &/or close.
-
A Nordic government pursued a UK vendor for a trifling VAT
amount, no amount too small to avoid their hassle.
-
Painfully slow & time wasting experiences trying to file
for & reclaim smallish VAT amounts with numerous EU
countries inc. eg Greece to UK.
-
Perhaps for a first Virtual EVENT, on both adverts before
payment & the standard invoice after payment, put some
words like This Virtual Conference is hosted from Town
Country. Purchasers of access are assumed for tax purposes to
be purchasing in Country ... Don't waste effort checking
where people pay or view from ;-) Not sufficient to keep
every country in EU's tax authorities off your back forever,
but maybe better than nothing, while organiser seeks
advice?
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